Help with GT (identity)

cm_ls1 · 14. September 2005

Can some one please tell me what model GT bike i have? ,, seems a bit old, but rides great !!! , was given to me some friends going overseas.

i know this is a German forum, but you seem to be most knowledgable ! , i looked in all website but cant find the same model ???

if anyone speaks english and knows what year / model this GT is i would be gratefull

thanks ...

btw , im from australia.

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tomasius · 14. September 2005

hi !

it's for sure that you have an older (about 1991) one because of the rear u-brake.

maybe it's an old zaskar frame like I have it:

. . . but i think you'll have to wait for the "real" experts here :daumen:

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cm_ls1 · 15. September 2005

tomasius schrieb:
hi !

it's for sure that you have an older (about 1991) one because of the rear u-brake.

maybe it's an old zaskar frame like I have it:

. . . but i think you'll have to wait for the "real" experts here

thanks for that , i had a look at some other threads of yours and it definately looks like your frame .... same welds & gussets.

:eek:

i am shocked its an original zaskar !

kingmoe · 15. September 2005

Tomasius is right. It should be an old Zaskar from the early 90th. After 1992 GT didn´t use U-Brakes anymore. The only other modell that looks familiar to your frame ist an early "Pantera" but after the repaint (the paint job is definitely not original) it´s not decidable.
I think, it´s an Zaskar and so should you do

Ride it & love it :daumen:

cm_ls1 · 15. September 2005

is there no-way of telling the difference between Zaskar and Pantera ??? :confused:

other than colour ?

there must be !!! ...

kingmoe · 15. September 2005

The Zaskar was made of 6061-T6 alloy and heat treated, the Pantera was 7005 alloy which doesn´t need to be heat treated, but 7005 is not that strong as 6061 is. But there is no way to find out the difference when you don´t want to destroy the frame and make a chemical analysis of the material.

Let me have a look into some GT-Material (catalogs etc.) maybe there is one different detail... I´ll check it out.

kingmoe · 15. September 2005

Hi, me again.
There´s no chance to find out if your bike is a Zaskar or a Pantera. They look the same. Look at Stiles´ Pantera if you find a different detail, I didn´t.

I don´t know if the frame weight would be different?! But for a reliable compareson you need 2 frames with the same size and without painitng or both painted with the same colour or same powder coat or...

But Zaskars from the first modell series (1991 and 1992) are not as rare as the cheaper Pantera (maybe they survived better), so it´s probably a Zaskar.

Here´s Stiles´ Pantera posting with pics:

http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showpost.php?p=2103234&postcount=563

cm_ls1 · 15. September 2005

kingmoe schrieb:
The Zaskar was made of 6061-T6 alloy and heat treated, the Pantera was 7005 alloy which doesn´t need to be heat treated, but 7005 is not that strong as 6061 is. But there is no way to find out the difference when you don´t want to destroy the frame and make a chemical analysis of the material.

Let me have a look into some GT-Material (catalogs etc.) maybe there is one different detail... I´ll check it out.

whats this different detail ? in the dropout ? or the toptube (mine is sealed "flat" at the back where the logo is stamped)

can I tell by the serial number ?

cm_ls1 · 15. September 2005

ok thanks for all your info...

"zaskar76" sent me a message - saying if your serial# has any letters , then it not a zaskar ...

and my serial starts with H1N0XXXX (which is quite similar to stiles pic!)

so it looks like i have one of those rare Pantera's , i do kind of wish it was a zaskar , but it rides great anyway :daumen:

tomasius · 15. September 2005

i think both, the zaskar and the pantera were sealed with that straight embossed gt cap.

I think it's very hard to get it back into its origin. But it's worth a try :confused:

http://mtb-kataloge.de/Bikekataloge/PDF/GT/TechShop92.pdf

although your zaskars' frame colour is not original, I can offer you a set of contemporary decals for it. have a look at the post below and feel free to contact me :daumen:

http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=184102

greets, tom :daumen:

sorry, haven't seen you last post . . .

cm_ls1 · 15. September 2005

kingmoe schrieb:
Hi, me again.
There´s no chance to find out if your bike is a Zaskar or a Pantera. They look the same. Look at Stiles´ Pantera if you find a different detail, I didn´t.

and kingmoe , i think i did spot a very subtle difference (on the '91-'92 models anyway!)

see how on the zaskar gusset is "squared"

and on the panteras , the gusset is more rounded :eek:

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tomasius · 15. September 2005

now I know your profession . . . you're a detective

maybe it is THE difference :confused:

...

Stiles · 15. September 2005

Hi!

Congratulations, it´s a Pantera! :daumen:

I read the thread and wondered, why nobody asked for the frame number. Thought this would be one of the best identifiers for Zaskar/Pantera frames...
Really pity, that your Pantera has none of it´s original decals on it. I still need some photographs to rebuild them....

Have fun with your bike! Mine is still half painted...

cm_ls1 · 16. September 2005

Stiles schrieb:
Hi!
Really pity, that your Pantera has none of it´s original decals on it ...

I called a few of the local bike shops , and no-one has these decals.

but i did find one that had "Zaskar Le" and he said they are blue and yellow !!! , so that will have to do

they also have a black rigid fork at the front , and will also get a black mavic sup for the front with road tyre and the bike will be ready !!!

Kint · 17. September 2005

cm_ls1 schrieb:
and kingmoe , i think i did spot a very subtle difference (on the '91-'92 models anyway!)

see how on the zaskar gusset is "squared"
and on the panteras , the gusset is more rounded

Man I think you just made a fool out of some of us Gt buddies recognizing that little detail.
Seeing the difference between Zassi and Pantera was quite impossible without a frame number - till now... :daumen:

cm_ls1 · 18. September 2005

Kint schrieb:
Man I think you just made a fool out of some of us Gt buddies recognizing that little detail.
:

not trying to make a fool of anyone, just trying to help out , we are all mates (friends) :daumen:

so can the experts confirm this difference ?

Stiles · 18. September 2005

I´m not one of the experts, but I too think your´re right!

What about the fixed derailleur hanger? Did you recognize that?

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