Precision Billet strikes back....

Noch eine neue Nachricht von toronto-cycles:
Es soll bald das Precision Billet Mk 2 wieder geben. Es wird auch ein Long-Cage und Carbonteile für das Precision Billet Schaltwerk erhältlich sein. Laut Tom von torontocycles in diesen Sommer.

Ich bin gespannt!
 
Die Neuauflage des Precision Billet Mk 2 ist auf September datiert:
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Soll 140 Gramm wiegen.
 
Endlich tut sich was bei Precision Billet:
Precision Billet 2nd Generation Derailleurs

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The Precision Billet 2nd generation derailleurs are ready for release. We only have a few units for now and will be set for full production. Testing is about complete and we will have a short video with a unit mounted in the near future. Sales will be going through our other website www.precisionbillet.com and will also be updated to reflect the change. If you wish to purchase a unit please check out that site in the coming weeks.
We will be moving soon. During this time I will be generally closed to walk in customers since my time will be split between 2 places. The move will be complete in December and ready for Christmas. Online sales are still normal but might have a day or 2 delay in processing.

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Und ich habe noch was gefunden in Bezug auf das originale PB schaltwerk aus Santeé, CA :
Precision Billet Goes Brushless
Precision Billet Cranks Up Productivity with Haas Brushless Axis Motor Machining Centers
You’re flying down a rocky ski run and the trees are just a greenish blur framing the perilous path ahead. This is not the time to worry about your components, and the fact that there is no snow on the ground is of little consolation. If you miss the next apex, you’re likely in for the biggest “face-plant” of your life, and insurance doesn’t cover this kind of downhill dementia. This is no time for cheap bicycle parts!

Precision Billet is a high-end job shop and manufacturer of the specialized, high- performance cycling components that you can depend on in this fast-paced world of gonzo biking.

Precision Billet, true to the sport, recently shifted gears, took a calculated chance and replaced several of its older machining centers with three new Haas Automation VF-0 brushless servo motor machining centers. This single production change sent productivity rates climbing by more than 25 percent.
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Bolstered by this success, the shop soon replaced another aging piece of equipment with a new Haas HL-2 CNC lathe. Payback was reached in just nine months, again with an impressive gain in production efficiency. And so, as the company continues to grow, so grows the number of Haas machines on the shop floor. Precision Billet has just added an additional HL-1 lathe to its mechanical workforce.

Precision Billet, situated in Santee, California, fabricates a wide array of high-tech components for the highly competitive mountain bike business. The company designs, manufactures and markets a proprietary line of mountain bike and bicycle motocross (BMX) components under the brand names ProShift and Atomic Industries.

The machined-billet product line includes operator-serviceable front and rear derailleurs, handle bar shifters, brake levers, brakes, hubs and adapter clamps. In addition, as a job shop, Precision Billet also makes parts, including pulleys and frame and suspension components, for other bicycle manufacturers.

Proof in Production
“Where most job shops specialize in quantities of less than 100 parts or so, we make lots of up to 10,000 pieces, so every second of cycle time is critical,” said Gary Hickman, president of Precision Billet. “We know there’s a big difference with Haas brushless servo motors because we still have one machining center with brush servo motors and set the same job up on both types of machining centers to make a comparison.”

The comparison of brushless versus brush servo motors was made with a component called an aluminum backstop (cable hanger). Typically, Precision Billet machines 1,000 backstops in a normal production run. Five tool changes are required to machine the backstop, including a 1/2" endmill, #2 center drill, 1/8" drill, keyway saw and a 45° endmill.
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“We set both machines up to run the backstop,” said Hickman. “The Haas machining center with brushless servo motors finished 1,000 parts in 16 hours. The machining center with DC servo motors required 20 hours. The high-speed rapids and cutting feed rates of the brushless servo motors proved their worth by saving one-half day of production time.”

Group Ganging
Because many of the parts machined by Precision Billet are small extrusions or other odd shapes, Chick vices are employed to increase throughput by grouping multiple parts in a single cut program. According to Hickman, the multiple-piece vices do a much better holding job while reducing manual operator time in running large part orders.

Controls and Cycle Time
Another feature of the Haas machining centers that Hickman appreciates is the control. Precision Billet utilizes several CAM programs for offline programming, such as EZ Mill for 2D parts and Geopath for advanced 3D parts, such as brake handles.
“The Haas control is very powerful with a lot of features, such as 100 tool offsets and 26 work coordinates, a floppy drive, text editor and graphics. It’s faster and makes it easier to get parts into production,” said Hickman. “For example, the Haas control allows the operator to view the cycle times for each tool by selecting the tool life display screen. The display shows the total cycle time, feed time and number of uses. By subtracting feed time from total cycle time, we can determine the time spent cutting air. We use these figures to reduce excess moves and are able to cut cycle times by as much as 30 percent. Plus, tool life calculations can easily be made by estimating the number of uses for each tool and inputting an alarm number for each tool.”
With the Haas control, work offsets can be set in the CNC part program and the offsets can be verified on the control. To do this, the operator runs the program from the control’s graphics page. If a wrong number has been keyed in or a decimal put in the wrong place, it will be immediately visible.
“By verifying part programs on the control before proving them on the machine, we avoid scrap parts and tool breakage,” said Hickman. “And the Haas control is fast. We can load ten tool offsets in the same time it took our previous machines to load two tool offsets.”

Latest in Lathes
Precision Billet previously owned a 1983 vintage CNC lathe. When repeatability problems became apparent, a Haas HL-2 CNC lathe was purchased. Continued productivity and growth in the marketplace soon had Hickman on the phone ordering another HL-1 lathe.
“We found that lathe controls had not progressed as much as machining center controls,” said Hickman. “But the Haas lathe was surprisingly easy to operate. Setting tool offsets is easy and turret indexing is quick and precise. We saw a demonstration of the lathe cutting steel and were convinced to buy it.
“Mostly, we turn brass or aluminum,” said Hickman. “With the Haas lathe, we can hold 0.0002 inch, even when we start it stone cold in the morning. We can put in a fresh bar and the diameter will be within a tolerance of plus or minus 0.0002 inch.”

Precision Billet has reduced lathe programming time substantially with several control features unique to the Haas lathe. For example, G81, G83 and G84 canned drilling cycles are identical to those found on mill controls. And the Haas lathe control can be programmed in either Fanuc™ or Yasnac™ mode, the latter most commonly used at Precision Billet.
Cycle times have decreased even more because the new HL-1 has AC drives with 710-ipm rapids.
“Typical lathe cycle times are 50 percent faster because of faster rapids and turret indexing, as well as higher feeds and speeds. Setup times have also decreased by 50 percent due to ease of tool offsetting and Haas’ unique turret tool holders. We have tool holders set up for specific jobs. All we have to do is install a new holder in the turret. Repeatability is high enough that offsets can be preset for that specific job,” said Hickman.

Production + Payback = Success
“During the past 12 months we have quadrupled our growth rate. We can make 500 rear derailleurs a week, instead of 500 a month. Payback on the VF-0s has been less than a year,” said Hickman. “Plus, we have more time to design, prototype and make new products. Haas’ speed, accuracy and ease of setup have allowed us to increase our throughput. And the faster we make parts, the faster we get paid.”
 
Das hier wirkt vom ganzen Konzept her total hilflos. Wen will man damit ansprechen? Die Klassiker werden sich sicherlich nicht darum reisen. Und die Leute mit modernem Material schrauben sich bestimmt nicht so einen kantigen Fräsklumpen ans Bike.
Das Teilt vereint irgendwie die "Hauptsache CNC" Ära mit der "Hauptsache Carbon" Ära, und versucht dabei nicht einmal das zu vertuschen...
 
Und die Leute mit modernem Material schrauben sich bestimmt nicht so einen kantigen Fräsklumpen ans Bike.
Das Teilt vereint irgendwie die "Hauptsache CNC" Ära mit der "Hauptsache Carbon" Ära, und versucht dabei nicht einmal das zu vertuschen...

Ok, das ist halt deine Meinung.
Es gibt auch Leute mit modernen Material, die holen sich Acros A-Gear :
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Das Design der Shimano Schaltwerke wurde ja desweiteren nicht vom Käufer gewählt sondern bekommt er vorgesetzt.

Aber über Geschmäcker zu streiten, ist irgendwie nicht sinnvoll.:)
 
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Da lob ich mir optisch die alten XT Schaltwerke wenn ich sowas sehe.
Wie schon gesagt wurde: die Geschmäcker sind eben verschieden. Die Precision RDs haben mir damals schon sehr gut gefallen und haben für mich bis heute nichts von ihrer Attraktivität eingebüßt: sie sehen toll aus, waren - zumindest damals (für die aktuellen Modelle vermag ich das nicht zu beurteilen) - toll verarbeitet und haben im Gegensatz zu anderen CNC-RDs einwandfrei funktioniert.
 
Wie schon gesagt wurde: die Geschmäcker sind eben verschieden. Die Precision RDs haben mir damals schon sehr gut gefallen und haben für mich bis heute nichts von ihrer Attraktivität eingebüßt: sie sehen toll aus, waren - zumindest damals (für die aktuellen Modelle vermag ich das nicht zu beurteilen) - toll verarbeitet und haben im Gegensatz zu anderen CNC-RDs einwandfrei funktioniert.

Der Markus hat halt einen anderen Geschmack. Das Rasta PB sieht schon etwas extrem aus obwohl es schöner als das Rasta Paul ist.
Ich würde auch nur ein ein- oder zweifarbiges PB nehmen. Und für die Vitrine gibt dann das "Rainbow-Design".:)
 
Die Paul waren die hässlichsten der CNC Unfälle :D

Ich würde eher das ältere Rhino Schaltwerk und das alte Tiso Venda optisch schwach einstufen. Aber du hast Recht!
Das Paul ist einfacher aufgebaut als das PB. Und dennoch wird es von mir getestet werden.

Ich meinte das Rhino was hier gezeigt wird:
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