Hawk 22 als absolutes Einsteigerbike!?

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Hallo,

ist meine erster Post hier. Will mir ein MTB (Hardtail) kaufen (absoluter MTB-Neuling), auch um die ein oder andere Tour damit zu fahren.

Ausgeben will ich max. 300-500€. Bin für jeden Vorschlag dankbar.

Gefunden hab ich schon mal dieses für 299€ (reduziert):

Hawk 22 Blackline


Rahmen: Hawk Alu 7005, Compline Geometrie
Gabel: Suntour M2000 Monocoque
Steuersatz: TH, semi-integriert, gedichtet
Lenker: Humpert Downhill Riser, Alu
Vorbau: Blackcomp Alu, 1 1/8 Zoll, A-Head
Sattelstütze: ProMax SP-222 Alu
Sattel: Velo Concept SL
Kurbel: Suntour Alu CW-XR170, 42/34/24 Zähne
Innenlager: Thun Jive S Patronenlager, kompakt, gedichtet
Schaltwerk: Shimano Alivio
Umwerfer: Shimano C050
Bremsen: Blackcomp TX-121 Alu V-Brake
Bremshebel: Shimano ST-EF50 Rapidfire
Schalthebel: Shimano ST-EF50
Kassette: Shimano MFTZ, 7-fach, 14-28 Zähne
Kette: KMC
Felgen: Schürmann Euroline MTB, Alu Hohlkammer, schwarz, 26 Zoll
Naben: Alu KT-MTB, gedichtet, mit Schnellspanner
Reifen: vorne und hinten Continental Mountain King, 26 x 2.1
Pedale: Comfort LU-206, kugelgelagert
Gewicht: ca. 13 kg

Danke im voraus!
 
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Geh lieber an die Obergrenze deines Budgets (500) oder leg noch einen 100er oder zwei drauf und hol die demnächst zum Saisonende ein schönes reduziertes Hardtail. Mit den Komponenten des Hawk22 wirst Du im Gelände keine Freude haben.

Die Kette, die Reifen und der Sattel sind okay. :D
 
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Hmm... hab jetzt 2 gefunden die mir besser zusagen würden.

CUBE Analoge oder Canyon Yellowstone 3.0 !?

Welches der beiden würdet ihr bei diesem Buget wählen??
 
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Canyon:

Rahmen New Fact4 Yellowstone, 7005 Series Aluminium, Opti-Size Tubeset
Gabel RockShox Recon SL Solo Air 80 mm
Steuersatz Integrated Headset
Schaltwerk Shimano Deore XT
Umwerfer Shimano Deore
Schaltgriffe Shimano Deore SL-M530
Bremsgriffe Avid Juicy 3
Bremsen Avid Juicy 3 185/160
Naben Shimano Deore
Zahnkranz Shimano Deore 11-34
Felgen Alex DP17
Reifen Schwalbe Albert Sport 2.25"
Kurbeln Shimano Deore FC-M 532 2-Piece
Kettenblätter 44/32/22
Innenlager Shimano
Vorbau Iridium
Lenker Iridium Ultralight Riserbar
Sattel Selle Italia FK
Sattelstütze Iridium Ultimate
Pedale MTB-Pedale, Cromoly Achse
Farbe Fuji Metallic White
Sand Blasted Anodized Black
Rahmenhöhen S (16,5"), M (18,5"), L (20,0"), XL (22,0")
Gewicht 12,30 kg

Cube:

Rahmen Aluminium 7005

Gewicht 13,0 kg

Gabel Suntour XCM-LO, 80mm mit Lockout

Schaltung Shimano Deore RDM 511

Umwerfer Shimano Deore FDM 510; Dualpull, Topswing

Schalthebel Shimano Deore SLM 511

Bremse Shimano Alivio BRM 421

Lenker Ritchey Lowriser

Vorbau Ritchey

Steuersatz Ritchey Zero Logic (semi integriert)

Sattel Scape Active 4

Sattelstütze Scape Light, 31,6 mm

Felgen Rigida Sphinx

Reifen Schwalbe Smart Sam 2.1

Naben Shimano HB-RM40/FH-RM30

Speichen DT Stainless 2.0

Pedale Fasten Alu

Zahnkränze Shimano HG 50, 11-32 Zähne

Kette Shimano HG 53

Innenlager Shimano BB-UN 26

Kurbelsatz Shimano FCM 442, 175 mm

Beide kosten 499,-
 
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Ds Canyon ist (versendertypisch) weitaus besser ausgestattet, ich würde es als "sehr brauchbar" einstufen ;), allerdings stellt sich bei Canyon immer die Frage nach der Lieferzeit.
Das Cube sollte bessere Bremsen bekommen (für 50,- kann man super V-Brakes nachrüsten, z.B. die Avid SD7) und die Gabel ist nicht soo der Hit, ansonsten ist es für das Geld schon okay.
 
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Denke ich werde zum canyon Yellowstone 3.0 greifen!

Das hat hier und in anderen Foren gute Kritik bekommen!

Wenn noch einer was über Canyon zu sagen hat, dann jetzt!! :D

Mfg
 
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Ja, ich:
Canyün gübt`s dieses Jahr nüscht mehr.
Alle Yellowstone Modelle sind seit etwa Mai ausverkauft.
Warten auf eventuelle Midseason Bikes oder auf nächstes Jahr lohnt sich trotzdem.
Ansonsten kann ich dir bei deinem knapp bemessenen Budget nur zu einem Gebrauchtrad raten.
 
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Hello everyone,

I recently moved to Germany and i really amazed how bike-friendly the city is. I want to buy a bike online. Here are the specs:


TWENTYTWO 26 MOUNTAIN BIKE

Technical information
Frame / frame HAWK MTB 26 "Alu 6061-T6
Fork / fork Zoom 26 "80mm
Headset / headset Ahead 1.1 / 8
Stem / stem MTB Alloy black 90 / 105mm, 7 °
Handlebar / handlebar MTB Alloy black 31.8, 700mm, R12mm, BS9 °
Grips / grips MTB Kraton Rubber
Seat post / seat post MTB Alloy black 27.2
Saddle / saddle MTB DDK Rail Design
Crankset / Crankset MTB Alloy 24-34-42T
Pedals / pedals MTB Black
Derailleur / rear derailleur Shimano Tourney, 7-speed
Derailleur / front derailleur Shimano TZ, 3-speed
Shifter left / shifter left Shimano Tourney, 3-speed
Shifter re. / shifter right Shimano Tourney, 7-speed
Sprocket set Sprocket Shimano MF-TZ21, 7-speed
Chain KMC Z50
Brakes from / brake front Tektro V-brake Alu
Brakes hi. / Brake rear Tektro V-Brake Alu
Rims / rims Remerx Dragon 719 DB
Hub from / hub front Formula QR Alu
Hub hi. / Hub rear Formula QR Alu
Tire / tire Rubena Classic 26x2.1
Frame height / frame size S (16 "), M (18"), L (20 ")
Paint / finish Black
Weight from / weight from 13,5kg

The bike is on sale for 229 (free delivery).
Could you kindly please tell me if it is worth it to buy the bike or not?

Thanks
 

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Could you kindly please tell me if it is worth it to buy the bike or not?
Sorry, it isn't.

If you want do go mountainbiking, this bike is far too cheap and heavy (the weight of 13,5 kg is fake) for the job. You should invest around 800 € to get a decent mountainbike.

If you want do use the bike in an urban environment, you don't need a suspension fork, 21 gears and all that heavy shit. A simple, light singlespeed bike with narrow tires would do that job much better.
 
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Sorry, it isn't.

If you want do go mountainbiking, this bike is far too cheap and heavy (the weight of 13,5 kg is fake) for the job. You should invest around 800 € to get a decent mountainbike.

If you want do use the bike in an urban environment, you don't need a suspension fork, 21 gears and all that heavy shit. A simple, light singlespeed bike with narrow tires would do that job much better.

Thank you for the response. No, I am not going to go mountain biking!
I just need it for daily use and sometimes to go biking with my friends. At most, it is going to be used for biking in easy countryside areas.

Do you have any specific suggestion?
 
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Around 250 Euros. I don't really know whether I need them or not. But, to be honest without any logic, I prefer my bike to have gears. Yes, you can call me stupid :D
 

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That hawk is rubbish.
At 250 bucks you may find a used bike that will do. If your new city ist flat enough you can go for Florent's suggestion. Else you won't find any proper new bike at 250 Euros. Nobody here will suggest a new mountainbike at that price.
 

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Hi, I started my "mountain bike career" in Hamburg with no idea about good bikes, bought a Hawk Hammer for 600,-€, gear was ok, V-brake worked reasonable, fork had a steel spring, much to hard for my 75 kgs (so it was nearly a bike with rigid fork) and a bike weight around 15 kgs. I was riding it for 5 years in even more advanced "mountain environment" than yours and had my fun. For me it looks like you could have fun as well, if you are not a lightweight (= bike too heavy) or a heavyweight (risky brakes to go long downhills).
Perhaps an upgrade of the derailleur at the back wheel and the trigger to a better Shimano version may be usefull after a while. But first I would try to get around with the Tourney, try to keep it in good shape and change, when it does not work properly anymore. The change is not a big thing.
 
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Thank you very much, guys. I am happy that I did not rush into just because of the offer. Maybe, I should increase my budget or buy a used bike.
 
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Do you suggest any place in Mannheim or Heidelberg for buying a new/used bike? I am sorry if the questions are too amateur. As I said, I am quite new to Germany.
 

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Hi, I started my "mountain bike career" in Hamburg with no idea about good bikes, bought a Hawk Hammer for 600,-€, gear was ok, V-brake worked reasonable, fork had a steel spring, much to hard for my 75 kgs (so it was nearly a bike with rigid fork) and a bike weight around 15 kgs. I was riding it for 5 years in even more advanced "mountain environment" than yours and had my fun. For me it looks like you could have fun as well, if you are not a lightweight (= bike too heavy) or a heavyweight (risky brakes to go long downhills).
Perhaps an upgrade of the derailleur at the back wheel and the trigger to a better Shimano version may be usefull after a while. But first I would try to get around with the Tourney, try to keep it in good shape and change, when it does not work properly anymore. The change is not a big thing.
Don't know when you started your mountain bike career, but I guess it was no later than 2013. So you are comparing a bike that cost twice till almost three times as much as the one in the first posting five years ago!
 

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Don't know when you started your mountain bike career, but I guess it was no later than 2013. So you are comparing a bike that cost twice till almost three times as much as the one in the first posting five years ago!
1. The new Hawk 22 was a special offer, no idea, what the "normal price is.
2. The Hawk Blackline is a low budget bike series - at least "built" by a Berlin Bike "assembler", where I assume that it is better than most of the low budget bikes from Mifa or similar because of their experience. So at least the frame should be ok and brakes and gears will work reasonably if properly serviced. As long as the user is not having 1oo kgs body weight and using the bike reasonably with no real hardcore biking (jumping, high speed downhill on rough trails).
3. I suggest the bike in the same class as the Decathlon Rockriders/BT-Win low cost bikes. They work for non-advanced mountainbiking, you can find them here everywhere.
3. I guess, even if Stadler or BOC or similar big bike sellers have a lot of bikes and always some special offers, it will be difficult to get something better at the price of the Hawk. But of course the guy should try.
 
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