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Ich bin selbst betroffen :heul: und habe noch keine Ahnung, was ich machen soll. Warten? Auf das wuchtigere aber für Trails bessere RIP umsteigen? Noch ein Hardtail zulegen?.....
 
Die finanziell attraktivste Option scheint ja zu sein einen anderen Rahmen zu einem super Preis zu kaufen (z.B. RIP für 800 $ anstatt 1800 $) und zusätzlich in ca. 6 Monaten den fehlerhaften Jet 9 gegen den komplett überarbeiteten Jet 9 kostenfrei ausgetauscht zu bekommen.
 
Die finanziell attraktivste Option scheint ja zu sein einen anderen Rahmen zu einem super Preis zu kaufen (z.B. RIP für 800 $ anstatt 1800 $) und zusätzlich in ca. 6 Monaten den fehlerhaften Jet 9 gegen den komplett überarbeiteten Jet 9 kostenfrei ausgetauscht zu bekommen.

Naja. Ein Rip zu kaufen um dann noch ein Jet zu besitzen macht nur Sinn, wenn man es wieder verkauft. Zwei Fullys zu besitzen ist Blödsinn. Und der Markt für gebrauchte 29er ist nicht sonderlich gut. 800 Euro werden das dann schon incl. Shipping und Zoll. Und mehr als tausend bekommt man vermutlich nicht, auch wenn er dann ungefahren ist...

Also, vernünftiger wäre für mich persönlich der kostenfreie Wechsel zum RIP - wenn ich das mit der Sattelstütze (jetzt 30.9 - Rip 30.6), dem Steuersatz (jetzt 1 1/8 RIP 1 1/8-1.5) und der Federgabel (jetzt 80mm - RIP 100 bis 120mm) für mich kläre.

Das RIP ist mir etwas zu klobig. Weiß nicht, ob's dann zumindest in Alu natur besser aussieht.



Mal sehen
 
so. habe jetzt trotzdem ein scharzes rip im austausch bestellt. mal sehen was wann daraus wird. bin schon gespannt auf den unterschied...
 
falls es nun noch ein l ist und es dir im fruehjahr auf die nerven geht weil es ein allmountainmonster ist denk an mich, wenn ich bis dahin noch keines habe.
 
Das RIP ist wirklich ein komplet anderes Rad. Mehr All Mountain und fährt sich dementsprechend auch anders. Ich will nicht sagen, dass es besser oder schlechter ist, es ist halt nur für einen anderen Zweck gebaut.

Das Jet ist wirklich ein CC Race Bike, genauso wie das Air und das One.

Insgesamt, denke ich das Niner den Recall sehr cool abwickelt. Bei denen im Büro muss momentan echt die Hölle los sein, mit tausenden emails, Anrufen und Foren in denen die noch nebenbei Fragen beantworten.

@ellen_muenchen
Ich hoffe du bekommst das mit deinem Rahmen geregelt. 'nen neuen Steuersatz brauchste nicht unbedingt, der Rahmen kommt mit einem Adapter fuer 1 1/8". Ne neue Gabel schon, aber vielleicht möchte andy2 die schonmal bezahlen, als Anzahlung sozusagen ;)
 
Ja, die machen das wirklich gut. Und lustig ist's echt nicht, wenn man in Zeiten des Webs permanent auf Abruf Antworten parat haben muss. Und dann ist noch Interbike am Montag

Zitat Brett Rosenbauer von Niner: Yes the timing is no good because I am trying to prep for Interbike which starts next Monday! We are so busy it isn't funny but we will get through this

Eine Gabel habe ich schon. Allerdings nur eine 100er Fox. Und das mit dem Steuersatz weiß ich.

Wenn alles gut geht, dann habe ich bald einen RIP Rahmen und werde ihn ausgiebigst testen bei einer Transalp München - Venedig Anfang Oktober.

Im Grunde hat das Ganze auch was gutes. Mit dem EMD habe ich ein mehr racemäßiges Bike eh schon. Zwei Racebikes brauche ich nicht, auch wenn eines davon noch hinten eine Federung hat. Daher passt das im Grunde schon mit dem EMD und dem RIP
 
Das ist 'ne nette Kombination von Rädern und um die Alpen Tour beneide ich dich wirklich. Vergiss nur nicht auf MTBR ein paar Bilder zu posten wenn du wieder zurück bist.

Ich hatte die gleiche Kombination von Jet und EMD. Allerdings hab' ich das EMD als Singlespeed gefahren. Kurz vor dem Recall, hab' ich mich entschieden das One 9 zu kaufen, da ich fast eh ausschliesslich mit dem Singlespeed unterwegs war. Der Rahmen fährt sich noch um einiges besser obwohl die Geometrie die selbe ist.
Auch die Gabel von Niner ist ein Traum. An dem EMD hatte ich eine Pace Carbon Gabel, mit der ich sehr zufrieden war, aber die Niner Gabel gefällt mir besser.

Im Rahmen des Recalls hab' ich jetzt ein Air 9 bestellt damit ich Anfang nächsten Jahres was für die Rennen hab'. Den UPS Label hab' ich gestern per email bekommen und ich schicke den Jet heute ab. Bin mal gespannt wann das Air dann auftaucht.
 
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Also, vernünftiger wäre für mich persönlich der kostenfreie Wechsel zum RIP - wenn ich das mit der Sattelstütze (jetzt 30.9 - Rip 30.6), dem Steuersatz (jetzt 1 1/8 RIP 1 1/8-1.5) und der Federgabel (jetzt 80mm - RIP 100 bis 120mm) für mich kläre.
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Hi Ellen,

mein RIP9 ist endlich gekommen. :cooking:

Du meinst oben vermutlich 31,6 - korrekt? Meine 30,9er lümmelt ganz schon im Rohr. Komisch aber, dass Niner auf der Website auch 30,9 angeben.

:confused:
 
ja. 31.6 meinte ich. aber das ist wohl falsch.

aber tatsächlich habe ich auch meine 30.9er behalten können. die passt - auch wenn sie minimal lose sitzt.
 
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Hier sind nun im Blog von Speedgoat die ersten Bilder des neuen 2010er JET.
 
Wen es interessiert: Habe hier den Bericht von Steve Domahidy, der gerade über Facebook und twitter live über die Produktion berichtet mal kopiert:

Okay everybody, here's the deal: I'm over at the factory right now personally overseeing production of the new Jet 9 frames. Production is UNDER WAY. I will post here every day on the progress of the frames so you can have a blow by blow account of what's going on with the eagerly awaited Jet 9 frames. I've also se...t up a twitter account that you can follow me on to get tweeted about the progress of the Jet 9 frames. SteveDomahidy is my twitter name. Sign up, get updates.

First step in production is completed: all tubes have been mitered to fit the frame sizes they're being welded to. Cable stops and guides have been brazed on. Now tacking of frame pieces begins. Here's a look at the jig that holds the rear triangle together during tacking and welding.

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Right now, the factory is doing a production 'pilot' run, so the production line can get up to speed. Since the samples we've been getting are built by the R&D department, the subtle nuances of production don't show up until the tubes start getting put together on the production line. This is a size XL front triangle... going through the full weld process (after tacking). Check out those single pass flat welds! All main tubes are tacked together, then the frame is aligned, then the main tubes are welded together and aligned again. Then, the frame goes into another jig that aligns all of the pivot hardware and shock mounts and those pieces get tacked on to insure proper function and alignment.

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Nice miter!

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Whatching them doing a full weld on a size large. That single pass smooth weld is really cool.

We had to modify the rear triangle jig a bit to make it faster to put the 'y' brace pieces in and insure proper placement of them.

Okay, so now that the jig has been modified, MASS production of the rear triangles is gearing up. Check out the bin of chainstays!

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These are the 'pilot' run of rear triangles tacked together with the modified jig. They get aligned in tack state, then put back through a solution bath to insure that they are CLEAN, CLEAN before welding can be completed.

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I'm really happy with the QC job going on over here. Here's an example of a chainstay that was pulled before welding due to an issue. For every production run, more tubes are ordered than needed, just in case stuff like this is found during the manufacturing process.

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So, the XL's are going into mass production. During the 'pilot' run process, a couple of issues came up with the other sizes. The downtube's of S, M, and L were all mitered about 1mm off and this is enough to change the downtube angle and affect fit with the head tube and head tube gusset. LUCKILY, they were off the... long way, not the short way, so we're modifying the miter now. This is just a minor hickup that shouldn't affect production and luckily they can still be hard at work on rear triangles and XL front triangles.
Since this bike is based on 6000 series tubing, heat treating is fast. There is no waiting between T4 and T6, once the frames come out of T4, they go through their last alignment process and go straight to T6. We're still pushing for a March 27th FINISH date for ALL sizes. Just stay tuned here and find out how we do!

The process is a little slow at first. You know the old addage: measure twice, weld once!

We're just checking the position and alignment of the pivot jig against the 1:1 drawings and insuring that everything is correct.

Here's the 'tree' jig designed to hold the three pieces of the tree together in the correct alignment so they can be tacked. It's a pretty hefty, sold steel cradle for the tree. Then it gets placed in the rear triangle jig already tacked together.

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So bald es weiter geht, werde ich neue Bilder posten. Ich liebe solche Liveberichte.
 
Weiter geht's:
First day off, I'm going out for a ride on my production sample Jet 9 frame that was completed before mass production began. Here's a shot of the Jet 9, hanging out in my 70's era hotel room with a great view of the city. This bike is FUN!

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Monday morning is starting off strong. Rear triangles are in full swing production now with the jig finalized and work progressing at a good pace (and more importantly, smoothly). They're still re-mitering the downtubes of S,M, and L, so full scale production of the XL is going on. The front triangles are a bit easi...er to deal with than all the complicated welds on the rear triangle, so by design we're mostly concentrating on rear triangles at the moment. Here's a pic of the tack jig for the front triangles. Everything's bolted solid, and every tube on the frame is held down into it's correct position. It's super important to get the seat tube bend aligned and in plane with the front triangle and all tubes have to lined up on center, of course.

The rear triangles are taking longer than expected to complete. They're currently under full production, it's just taking them a little longer to get the pieces into the tack jig than expected, and the mandate from me is that it's done right, not done fast. These are going to cause a slight delay in production, it's ...looking like a few days right now. Here's a pic of the seatstays in the jig to mate them to the seatstay yoke before being assembled into the full rear triangle jig.

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Here's a pic of yet another jig, this is an alignment and check jig to insure that all three critical points (two pivots and the lower shock mount) are aligned correctly with each other on the frame, and that they're also correctly aligned so that the axis of the holes are also parallel with each other (the bottom brac...ket pivot is CNC machined parallel to the axis of the bb, so this is a good reference point to insure that all other pivots and mounts are also parallel to that).

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A good day today, things are rolling for sure...

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Until you see a rack like this and realize how much more is still to go. Today, we definitely put a dent in things, but rear triangle production continues to roll on smoothly but slower than expected. Just gotta keep crankin' them out. Tomorrow and through the end of the week, the factory will concentrate on rear tr...iangles, finish the XL front triangles and work on size large and medium front triangles.

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Here's a batch of size large frames being welded after tacking. Rear triangles continue to get pumped out, but this is our Achilles heel at the moment.

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Und weiter geht's:

During the manufacturing process, our frames go through no less than five different alignment processes. 1. The bike is tacked together in a fixed jig. The frame comes out of the jig, then to the alignment table. 2. PARTIAL full weld is done on the main triangle including all tubes and gussets. Not all welds are completed all the way around, though, to leave more room for alignment, then to the alignment table. 3. The seat tube pivot and lower shock mount are tacked on, and then to the alignment table. 4. After getting checked with the pivot alignment check gauge, the frame welding is completed in full, and the frame goes back on the alignment table. 5. T4 heat treatment is done, and then the frame goes back on the alignment table. After this, the frame is ready for T6 heat treatment. Only very minor alignment can be done after T6.

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Okay, Jet 9 production update time. Rear triangles are MOSTLY done. They're all at various stages in the production process, but all of them are at least in rear triangle form. Here's a rack of rear triangles waiting to go into T6 heat treatment. Once out, they'll get prepped for painting and anodizing and be off to get those processes done.

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Front triangles are almost complete as well. XL and L frames are pretty much done as well, going through T6. Mediums continue pumping out of the production line and small frames will begin tomorrow. They should be able to complete small frame welding tomorrow, then alignment process and T4, followed by more alignment and then T6 the following day. This is a size large frame on the alignment jig after T4.

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Rack of smalls. So production roles on, and this is a rack of small frames being welded. Note the interruption of the weld around the head tube. Only half of the head tube and gusset is welded on, then the pivot and lower shock mount are tacked and the whole thing goes on the alignment table, making it easier to align with more flexibility in the frame before a full weld is applied all the way around. After full weld, the frames go back on the alignment table again, of course, to insure proper alignment throughout. who new building one frame could be so difficult?

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Okay, thank goodness for awesome QC (that's why I'm here). We discovered an issue with the linkage hardware. All of the recall replacement frames will use existing Jet 9 hardware from the customers bike, but for the frames that are available for sale (we are producing some of these at the same time), the vendor who m...ade the linkage hardware drilled the hole too deep for the hex wrench insertion, creating a thin wall section in the threads for the alloy cap. Luckily we caught this early and the vendor has time to remake them before we need them for assembly. Something had to come up, right? Glad this was a small problem with a quick and easy solution. We'll keep crankin' away. So far, everything is coming together just fine. Knock on wood!

During production of the frames, a solid steel bar is sunk into the seat tube all the way down to the bend, to insure that the seat tube remains straight under welding. Here's a batch of frames that have almost completed welding, waiting to get seat tube pivots and lower shock mounts installed.

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The steel rods in the seat tubes keeps the seat tubes straight, but sometimes there's some deformation right at the top of the seat tube. Since the tubing is SO malleable before final T6 heat treatment, the factory is able to PRESS the seat tube back into a round shape right at the top. The frame sits over a solid steel jig which measures 30.9 OD to fit into our 30.9 ID seat tube, and a hydraulic press forces the top of the seat tube back into a perfectly round shape.

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The XL and L size frames are starting to roll out of T6 now. Even though only a limited amount of alignment can happen after T6, there are still a lot of processes that need to happen still. The threads in the BB need to be cut, and the slit in the seat tube needs to be punched out.

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Okay. Here's the latest update from the production front. All rear triangles are pretty much done, some of them just need to go through the final process for painting/ano prep. Below is a picture of the rear triangles coming out of the bead blasting machine. This puts a good texture on the frames for anodizing. Front triangles are going through the same process, but there are about 60 straggling pieces that didn't get built in the mass production due to downtube rejections, so those are going through production now. We will be shipping everything out to the anodizer and painter on March 30th.

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One of the final steps in the process of getting these frames ready to go to the painter/anodizer is putting on the water bottle boss rivets. The frames will be finished by tomorrow morning and be packed and shipped to the anodizer and painter. I'll follow the frames there and insure that QC is done properly on all frames as they get ready for assembly.

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Last day down in Taichung. Heading off to the painting factory today and then HOME.....
 
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