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Seht euch das Video an und entscheidet selbst !?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=prVbDJqEFqM

http://www.manuelfumic.com/galerie_detail.php?galerie=63

Habe heute auch eine Mail an EightyAid/Markus Dellinger geschrieben:

Moin Markus,

habe bei Manuel Fumic Race Bildern vom Sonntag, das sie einen neuen Kunstoff oder Gummischutz an der Lefty dran haben um die Nadellager zu schützen.
Erinnert mich sehr stark an den Enduro oder Moto Cross bereich um die Federgabeln zu schützen.
Ist das so ein ähnliches Prinzip ? Wird es so was in absehbarer Zukunft zu kaufen geben oder ist das für uns "alltags" Biker Blödsinn ?!

Danke schon jetzt im voraus für eure Hilfe !

Grüße

Das war seine Antwort:
Hallo Steve,

habe selber nur Photos davon gesehen- es geht genau in die Richtung- es ist aber auch eine komplett neue Gabel… man wird sehen.

happy trails


Eighty-Aid,
Markus Dellinger
die HeadShok/Lefty Klinik


Markus Dellinger
www.eighty-aid.com

Was meint ihr ? Kann mir nicht vorstellen das er das ernst meinte und die Gabel nicht genauer kennt ? :confused:
Spätestens im Juni/Juli werden wir schlauer sein ! :D

Happy trails !

Steve
 
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Ha, dem Profi gleich ins Auge gefallen ! :daumen:

Habe ich schon öfters bei den pro gesehen das zwei Schrauben pro Disc fehlen ! ;)
Das nennt man Gewichts tuning ! :lol:

Happy trails !

Steve
 
Gebe dir recht ! Keine Ahnung wie die jetzt das mit den Nadellagern gemacht haben ? Vielleicht braucht man auch in Zukunft kein Resetten mehr Laufbahnen und Nadellager ?!
Theoretisch müste das Plastik Teil schwerer sein als die Gummi Manschette !?
Warum braucht die Gabel auch keinen Luftfilter mehr ? Oder wo ist der hin wenn noch einer existieren sollte ?

Fragen über Fragen ?

Happy trails !

Steve
 
ohne faltenbalg braucht man auch keinen luftfilter mehr.

vielleicht sitzt das nadellager jetzt weiter oben und unten ist zur führung eine gleitbuchse?
 
anstatt sowas durch google translator zu jagen, verlinke besser den originaltext. das ist ja auf englisch nicht schwerer zu lesen als so. die spekulieren im übrigen ja nur genauso wie ich, als bestätigung kann man das nicht sehen.
 
So habe es korrigiert ! :D

Jetzt zufrieden ? ;)

Es sollte ja auch nur eine Spekulation Bestätigung sein, da es ja noch keine Teschnischen hinweise zum Innenleben der Lefty gibt. :rolleyes:

Happy trails !

Steve
 





















2013 LEFTY FORKS – STIFFER, LIGHTER, STRONGER & MORE DURABLE
posted by Tyler (Editor) - June 23, 2012 - 1pm EDT


We’ve seen some race shots of Lefty prototypes earlier this year, but now all is revealed.

According to Lefty product manager Drew Hannah, this is the biggest innovation in Lefty since its inception 13 years ago. Cannondale has always claimed it to be lighter, stiffer and stronger than any other fork on the market thanks to its dual crown inverted design, which puts more material where it’s needed (40mm stanchion at the top, 32mm at the bottom) with two clamps at the top.

Keeping it smooth are four sets of needle bearings that roll between the upper and the lower stanchions. Compare this to the sliding on bushings of other forks, and Cannondale says it’s far smoother. In our experience, it is indeed pretty slick feeling. Because it’s squared off where it rolls on the needle bearings, it can’t twist, and flex is reduced.

There are no shortage of complaints of leaky forks, so with the new Lefty, the wanted to make it lighter, stiffer, stronger and improve durability…




For 2013, they have a new sealed Hybrid Bearing Design. There’s a new external sealing system that’s completely sealed against the elements. With their original design, the square section of the lower slider extended beyond the base of the upper stanchion. This made it impossible to seal well, which is why it had that ugly dust boot.



On the new ones, the tube is now round on the bottom, which allows them to use a much more effective wiper seal, similar to what you see on other forks. It also looks much better, and the new moto-inspired brush guard (optional, as shown here on their demo bike) has an integrated hose/cable guide for the front fork. All in all, it’s much cleaner looking, and it makes use easier because you can use a simple ring around the lowers to determine sag rather than having to measure it.



At the bottom of the upper, there’s a new Durathon Seal. Because the system seals so much better, they were able to put a 10cc oil bath inside the upper. Gravity keeps the oil right on the seal and splashing across the needle bearings. Within the seal is a Glide Bearing (beige) to assist with stiffness as the fork moves deep into its travel. Hannah says it actually gets stiffer the further you go into your travel because of the distance between the bushing and bearings increases (imagine grabbing your handlebar wider and you see why). The combination of the Glide Bearing (which, yes, is a bushing) and the Needle Bearings is what they’re calling Hybrid Bearing Design, and Hannah says the inclusion of the bushing doesn’t affect the smoothness.



Because the lowers are round, the square area is shorter inside the fork and they had to use shorter needle bearing stacks. Above, black is the original, the green is for 29ers and the white is for 26″ Lefty’s. Because these are shorter, the Glide Bearing is required to brace the lower. Even with it, though, Hannah says the Lefty has 1/4 of the friction because it’s using one bushing rather than four in a typical fork. On the trail, this translates to quicker breakaway from static position, which means faster, more supple action over small bumps.

With the Hybrid Bearing design, the new Lefty is laterally stiffer (side to side and front to back). Torsionally, it’s the same as the previous models, and Cannondale says its testing shows the Lefty to be substantially stiffer torsionally than standard forks at all points in its travel. This translates into accurate steering and precise tracking, which makes the rider more confident.



Back to durability. The needle bearings can migrate out of position under compression, which can cause noise and affect total travel. Now, there’s a reset spacer at the top of the upper that resets the needle bearing stacks at bottom out. In the photo above, you can see where the bearings bottom out against the silver spacer at the top. On previous models, you had to manually reset the needle bearings by pulling the fork apart. Now, you just ride. Hannah says if sag is set properly, you’ll probably bottom the fork often enough in normal riding to automatically reset them to the proper position. If not, you can just let all the air out, compress the fork completely, then air it back up and the reset is complete.

Above is merely a demonstration model, normally there’d be only white or only green bearing stacks. In addition to resetting the bearings, the silver spacer serves to terminate the travel when the bearing stacks hit them, creating the bottom out. Notice that the taller 29er needle stack effectively limits the travel because it hits the top spacer before the white 26″ stack would. That, in addition to the spacers’ placement within the upper leg, is how they control travel. The 130mm 26″ Lefty is the same upper and lower as the 100mm 29er Lefty, it’s just these internal bits that limit travel for the bigger wheels.

If you’re curious as to whether you could put a 650B wheel on this, Murray says you could put it on the 29er Lefty. On the 26″ model, you’d be cutting clearance really tight and it’s not recommended. They build in 20mm of clearance for a 26×2.3 tire at the top of the tire to the bottom of the lower fork clamp. That’s under full compression and deflection, so you’d have to hit something really hard, really fast and at an aggressive angle to get the tire that close, but on a 650B wheelset with a similarly fat tire, you’d risk hitting the tire on the “crown”.



Internally, it’s a Solo Air, isolated damping cartridge. The Solo Air tech comes from Rockshox, which they’ve gone with on all 2013 forks, too. Solo Air automatically sets negative air pressure, and it saves about 60g over a coil negative spring. The air spring is at the bottom of the cartridge, the white part in the photo.



The damping controls are in the red part at the top and includes speed sensitive high- and low-speed compression damping circuits. The new Lefty’s have a new alloy oil cap at the top with Durathon glide bearings with a urethane U-ring, which makes the pistons slide faster and easier and makes the system stiffer than with the prior plastic caps…after a break-in period. The urethane U-rings have a tighter seal, and there’s one on each end of the cartridge, plus the new lip seal on the bottom. Service life for the cartridge now jumps from 100 hours to 200 hours. They also have a new damper exchange service for shops to make repairs quicker for riders and easier on the folks in the back of the shop. The new damper cartridge and top cap will also be retrofittable to Lefty’s as far back as 2005.

We had heard rumors the damping characteristics would be changed, but Hannah says they’re the same from last year. It’s just the change in bushings and seals that seem to make them feel firmer at first. We’ll need a long term test to suss out any subtle differences.



For 2013, there are three models: PRB, XLR and Carbon XLR. On the alloy models, the upper is a one-piece unit including the clamps. The carbon model uses a filament wound carbon tube with bonded alloy clamps, and it saves 100g versus the alloy models. PBR uses a push button lockout with external rebound control knob. On the XLRs (carbon model shown above), you get Rockshox’s hydraulic remote lockout button. Retail hasn’t been finalized, but expect them to range from $800 to $1250.



As for “lighter”, the 2013 Lefty’s are the same weight as before, so the improvements were achieved with no weight gain. They’re still lighter than standard two-legged forks by a good margin. While it hasn’t achieved a whole lot of rider adoption, the Lefty For All conversion kit lets you run a Lefty on about any bike. New for 2013 is a tapered specific Lefty For All kit, adding to the straight 1-1/8″ model offered previously. Retail on the kit is $95. Lefty’s will be available in July on bikes, aftermarket will follow later in the year. Parts come from everywhere, but they’re assembled in Bedford, PA.

I rode the new Lefty 29er 100mm on the Scalpel 29 this week, and it’s as precise as ever. It felt noticeably firmer than before, which meant it was a bit rougher over the stutter bumps, but it also didn’t dive through its travel. This could have been as much due to the initial stiction of the new seals on the lower and within the damping cartridge. Hannah says it’ll “loosen” up over time (in a good way, not a flex way). My impressions were shared by pro racer Jeremiah Bishop when we talked to him earlier this year as the first prototypes started showing up. More riding to come!

From: http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/06/23/2013-lefty-forks-stiffer-lighter-stronger-more-durable/

Happy trails !

Steve
 
Moin Gemeinde,

vier dinge sind auf jeden Fall positiv im Gegensatz zur jetzigen Lefty´s.

1. Zum einen, das Reseten geht jetzt noch einfacher, man muß nur noch die Luft ablassen zusammenschieben dann wieder druck drauf, das war´s, einfacher geht´s nicht mehr ! : Daumen:

2. Kein Luffilter mehr nötig ! :)

3. Die Nadellager stecken in einem offenen Ölbad, dadurch kein schmieren mehr nötig. :)

4. Die RockShox Dämpfer sind jetzt vom Service Intervall, von 100 Std. auf 200 Std. angestiegen. Die neuen Dichtungen kann man aber bei den jetzigen Nachrüsten. Sogar bis Jahrgang 2005. : Daumen:

Steifigkeit hat sich nicht verändert. Negativ für mich ist das die Carbon XLR schwerer geworden ist und nicht leichter, wie sie geschrieben haben.
Das scheint auch auf alle neuen Lefty´s zu zutreffen !? :confused:
Laut r2 Waage liegt die 100mm 29"er Lefty Carbon XLR bei 1252g die neue bei 1332g !
Das sind immerhin 80g ! : Lol: :wut:

Dei Service Freundlichkeit soll eben alles aufwiegen ! :D

Optisch gefällt sie mir hervorragend, da der Faltenbalg weg ist ! :daumen:

@ crazyeddy,

eighty-aid wird sich wohl zukünftig für die 26"er Lefty fourty-aid (48 Nadellager) nennen müssen, und für die 29"er Leftys dann sixty-aid (60 Nadellager). :lol:

Nun gut, für mich besteht persönlich nicht der Zwang gleich mir eine neue Lefty zu kaufen. Werde so wie so im Herbst ein Team Tuning bei eighty-aid machen und dabei die Kartusche gleich auf den neuesten Stand bringen lassen inkl. geraden Faltenbalg. :D

Happy trails !

Steve
 
das gewicht bei r2 konnte ich aber irgendwie eh nicht so richtig glauben, denn die xlr als 130er/29er 100er war auch für 2012 mit 1332g angegeben.
 
Aber von der Essenz der Lefty bleibt für mich nicht mehr viel übrig.


Auf ein Mal hat man eine zusätzliche Buchse für die Lagerung, wie
alle anderen Gabeln, über die man sich immer lustig gemacht hat.

Und die Buchsen sind nun ja so viel besser geworden dass die Lefty
damit noch steifer wird ... und sogar weniger Losbrechmoment hat.
Aber erst nach einer Einlaufzeit - den vorher kann sie auch mal
schwerer gehen ...



Durch die besseren Dichtungen in Luftfederung und Dämpfung hat
sie, auch für mich nachvollziehbar ein kleineres Losbrechmoment.
Aber das kann man ja bei den alten Gabeln eh nachrüsten.

Das Staubdichtungen an Standrohren funktionieren hat sich ja
inzwischen ausreichend bewiesen. Mich stört aber der Faltenbalg
gar nicht, und drunter war's bisher immer sauber und das Fett
bleibt auch in den Nadellagern.



Also mich lassen die neuen Leftys kalt.
 
Hier nochmal von Bikeradar.com ein paar Fotos von der 2013 Lefty !
Um so mehr ich sie seh um so weniger gefällt sie mir !
Es geht der Klassische Style verloren den eine Lefty ausmacht !







































Happy trails !

Steve
 
geil aussehen tut es offen schon. aber wie gut die hybrid bearing technologie wirklich ist... ich weis net...
mich interessiert eher der xloc... aber mal schauen, was ich im herbst so alles umstelle,... eine 100mm alu lefty mit xloc waere fuer mich sehr interessant...
 
Hier noch mal der Text dazu:

Cannondale Lefty 2013 – three new models
comments By Matt Pacocha in Deer Valley, Utah | Tuesday, Jun 26, 2012 9.00am

Cannondale launched their new 130mm travel Lefty fork with the Trigger 120mm travel Over Mountain bike (Matt Pacocha)
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Cannondale’s launch of the Trigger Over Mountain bike also served to introduce the manufacturer’s latest Lefty suspension fork. Cannondale will offer three Lefty models for 2013 – PBR, XLR and Carbon XLR. There’ll be three travel options for 26in wheels – 130mm, 120mm and 100mm – and two for 29ers – 100mm and 90mm.

At the heart of the new fork is the company’s Hybrid Needle Bearing Technology, which pairs Cannondale’s trademark square stanchion and needle bearing designs with a lower, fixed traditional bushing.

“This is the biggest innovation that we’ve made in a long, long time, since its inception,” said Drew Hanna, Cannondale’s Lefty product manager. “For the last 13 years we’ve been the lightest, stiffest, strongest and smoothest fork in the industry,” said Hanna. “We’re lighter than your lightest cross-country forks. We’re stiffer and stronger than your all-mountain forks and we’re smoother than all forks under all types of loads.”

The three forks share two chassis designs and two different dampers. The Lefty PBR uses Cannondale’s OPI 3D forged aluminum upper and lower chassis with the PBR damper, which offers push-button platform adjustment and a rebound adjuster at the top of the fork’s leg.

The Lefty XLR uses the alloy chassis but with a RockShox XLoc bar-mounted remote. Finally, the top-tier Lefty Carbon XLR also features the XLoc but pairs it with a filament-wound upper leg with bonded alloy dual crown clamps, for a 100g weight saving.

The new Lefty chassis

Hanna said that the inverted structure of the forks puts material where it’s most needed, and allows Cannondale engineers to use less material more efficiently: “The key behind all of those characteristics is our dual crown inverted design and the needle bearing system.”

The lower leg (sliding stanchion) on the new Lefty is just 32mm. But the key to the fork’s stiffness lies at the top of this stanchion, where Cannondale taper the tube from round to square. A four-piece needle bearing system is the fork’s main anchor for stiffness, strength and smoothness.

“The larger top tube allows us to distribute the forces more evenly in the zone where it’s concentrated,” said Hanna. “With Lefty we use a double clamp, and we get a nice stiff structure.

“The other key ingredient, which you don’t see from the outside and is something we’ve had from the beginning – the hallmark of all things Headshok, is the square-in-square design,” said Hanna. “It’s a square peg in a square hole and that just fights all torsional forces to give us that point-and-shoot handling we’ve always had.”

Cannondale still use needle bearings for the main source of the Lefty’s stiffness.

A final key feature for the new Lefty is the use of the needle bearings instead of bushings. “We can load those bearings with any force from the riding conditions you see – fore/aft, torsional… No matter what you do the bearings always roll smoothly,” said Hanna.

Hybrid Needle Bearing Technology.

The new sealed Hybrid Bearing Technology allows Cannondale to get rid of their lower shock boot, which has been a trademark of the Lefty design since its introduction.

Because it’s impossible to seal a square structure, Cannondale have made the new Lefty’s Teflon-impregnated, hard-anodized lower leg round. This means they can incorporate a wiper seal at the bottom of the upper structure. Just above the seal you find what Cannondale are calling a ‘slide bearing’, which is what we commonly refer to as a bushing.

Because the bushing sits in a fixed position on the outer leg and the needle bearings roll into the fork with the inner leg, Cannondale can make a legitimate claim that their fork gets stiffer as the fork gets deeper into its travel. Unlike traditional forks, where the bushing spacing is a constant, in the Lefty the distance between the lower bushing and upper needle bearings increases as the fork moves through its travel. This adds stiffness. Cannondale say it’s this feature that allowed them to bring Lefty to the longer-travel Over Mountain category.

Note the increasing stance between the lower bushing and upper needle bearings as travel progresses.

Cannondale also take advantage of the Lefty’s inverted design and new lower seal to incorporate an oil bath, which lubricates both the bushing and needle bearings as the fork moves through its travel.

“Our system takes advantage of the inverted design and fills the cavity [between the inner and outer legs] to create a lubricating oil bath,” said Hanna. “In traditional forks, gravity is taking the oil away from you at all times, and with our system it keeps the oil in place. Essentially, it’s completely encased [submerged] throughout its riding life.”

Setting sag is easier too, as Cannondale now place an O-ring on the lower leg so that sag can be set visually, as with any other fork. Previously, riders needed another person to manually take the measurement.

Isolated damper

“We actually own a patent on cartridge style dampers,” said Hanna. “You’ll see some other guys in the industry using it. We play well with other suspension companies, so we’re not enforcing that patent, but I want you to know we came up with it.”

Cannondale’s isolated damper is like other closed models, in which the main purpose is to keep air and oil separate. This increases resistance to cavitation (the emulsification of the damper’s fluid) and allows for use of less oil overall, to keep the system lighter.

Lefty’s new isolated cartridge damper

The compression damper is called ‘Pop Top’, which Cannondale say offers an efficient platform-style ride with a blow-off to keep the front wheel glued to the ground. Internally, the damper has high- and low-speed circuitry for compression and rebound, which Cannondale also describe as speed sensitive.

“We spend a lot of time on the dynos, and we’re very happy with the design,” said Hanna. “But in an effort to beef them up we’ve introduced an alloy oil cap, with an integrated glide bearing and a polyurethane U-cup seal.”

This replaces the previous plastic design, and Hanna says it makes the damper twice as durable.

Overall, the XLR and PBR dampers essentially work the same. They only differ by way of their Pop Top engagement. The XLR relies on RockShox’s hydraulic remote XLoc, where as PBR uses a mechanical push button at the top of the fork’s leg.

Because the system is a closed unit, it can be completely removed for service. Cannondale also offer a SWOP (Service Without Problems) exchange service where the damper can be removed and replaced at a reduced cost. The brand also offer a lifetime warranty for the inner and outer legs.

The cartridge is sprung by a RockShox’s Solo Air spring, which was co-developed for Lefty and pressurizes both positive and negative air chambers together when setting the positive air pressure.

Cannondale have made the new Lefty’s damper cartridge retrofitable to previous Lefty models dating back to 2005.

Happy trails !

Steve
 
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