Trouble with Potsdam Forstamt

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I am the owner of www.mtbtopos.com. I ride in the Forst Potsdam, Wildpark, Berliner forst, and Grunewald. I am not a freerider.

More than a year a go I received a letter from the Potsdam forstamt. The letter accused me of leaving trash in the park, constructing freeride jumps and ladders, and riding off trail. None of this was true. The forstamt threatened to fine me up to 100000 euro. The proof that I did all of this consisted of pictures of trash lying in the woods, pictures of ladders constructed in the forest, and a picture of a printout of one of my mtbtopos which was found by the forstamt somewhere in the forest. This last item was probably how the forstamt came to find me in the first place. I was instructed by the forstamt to write a letter responding to their charges, and from this response they would decide if I was guilty or not, and what the fine should be.

Although it was obvious to me that their proof really did not prove anything at all, facing a 100000 euro fine I felt no choice but to talk to a laywer. He told me I should make an appointment at the forstamt to view the entire file on me to see all of the evidence they had against me. I did this, and there was nothing else of substance in my file. My lawyer then wrote a letter to the forstamt basically stating that they had no evidence to support their claims against me. I have not heard back from the forstamt, and it has been more than six months since the letter was sent.

I am not a freerider myself, but I have met a few locals at the Brauhausberg, Kathrinholz, and Grunewald. The freeriders I have talked to have all said that the building of the jumps and ladders is basically tolerated by the forstamt, as long as the area is kept clean. Maybe the situation has changed since I've talked to you, I don't know. I just wanted to tell you about my experience. I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else has been threatened by the forstamt, or if I am the only one.

Although nothing has come of any of this, the whole process has dragged on for more than a year now and has been stressful for me. I hope by posting this I can help someone else by increasing awareness of what is going on at your local Potsdam forstamt.

Robert Piontek
 
Wenn ich das jetzt richtig verstanden habe (wieso schreibst du eigentlich nicht in deutsch) wollte dir das Forstamt (forestry office) ans Bein pinkeln, weil du Bilder von bösen Jungs, die verbotene Sachen machen, besitzt oder veröffentlichst.

Ritzelflitzer
 
Ich weiss nicht genau warum die forsamt hat mir geschrieben. Aber ich wuerde nicht denken das die fotos war das problem. Velleicht von die fotos das ich gemacht haben, die forstamt denkt ich bin auch freerider, aber jedfalls bin ich nicht. Und, die hatten kein proof.

Ich denke das von meine website, steht meine name und kontakt info. Und es ist klar das ich fahre mountain bike in Potsdam. Und das war genug und einfach.

english...
I'm not sure if I understand you, but I doubt that the forstamt really cares that I have pictures of freeriders on my site. It's certainly possible that this strengthened their belief that I am also a freerider, even though I'm not. My postal address is on my site, so it was easy for them to know who I am. Even though they had no proof, they probably thought I really was a freerider, and hoped that I would be scared by their letter and admit to it.
 
Das tolle am deutsche Rechtssystem ist, dass die dir das nachweisen müssen! Mach dir da mal keine Sorgen, es sei denn, dass du als Person auf Beweismaterial bei illegalen Aktivitäten eindeutug zu erkennen bist.

Alles wird gut!
 
lol you´ve gotta be kidding.
i think i´ll print a screenshot of google, have it thrown onto the floor by my roommate and sue google for littering my living room.
if you´ll hear of the forstamt ever again, you might wanna drop them a line mentioning "nötigung unter missbrauch der amtsstellung".
 
You should see what they actually sent me in the mail. They literally sent me a photocopy of a picture of a pile of trash in the forest. This is their proof.

But on the other hand it is not that funny. From my point of view there is definitely some seriousness to being threatened with large fines, whatever the situation. If they had or still do fine me, it will likely go to court. Sure, in court we we would probably win, but it is time out of my life, and stress, and lawyers are not cheap.
 
You should see what they actually sent me in the mail. They literally sent me a photocopy of a picture of a pile of trash in the forest. This is their proof.

But on the other hand it is not that funny. From my point of view there is definitely some seriousness to being threatened with large fines, whatever the situation. If they had or still do fine me, it will likely go to court. Sure, in court we we would probably win, but it is time out of my life, and stress, and lawyers are not cheap.

That's common, I'd just ignore it. No proof, no problem.
 
Gotta love the strange way the german system works.

Drive dangerously drunk: 600 euros
Build a free-ride jump and litter: 1000000 euros.

Hah.

They have no proof, they'd lose in any court.
 
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