What Happends when you mix Bicycles and Motobikes

[zak0r]

Und die Sprache wohl auch nicht...

apparently, some dont

 

[decolocsta]

Ne, verstehe diese selbstdarstellung nicht, kommt mir hier vor wie das persönliche Tagebuch des threadsellers, und alle stehen mit offenen Mund da und bewundern ihn, nur weil er Englisch spricht.
Ich mein paar Bilder und technische details ok, aber hier ist es echt zum Fototagebuch mutiert...

Jetz dürft ihr mich hassen

 

[zak0r]

ah echt? ich meinte ja eher ich versteh seine aussagen zu moppets nicht, die müllhaufen die er da fährt

 

[patineto]

Esto de el Aleman me encanta, entiendo cada palabra que estan escribiendo.

NO.....!?!?!?

 

[omaschreck]

@patineto

nice work, thule engineers would proberly hate themself that noone placed that idea on the market earlier

but, as many said earlier nothin for continental europe......the authorities would nail you straight to the cross


btw....this is pretty much the best offtopic-thread since a long time

 

[patineto]

@patineto

nice work, thule engineers would proberly hate themself that noone placed that idea on the market earlier

but, as many said earlier nothin for continental europe......the authorities would nail you straight to the cross


btw....this is pretty much the best offtopic-thread since a long time

Well senor in this country we have something far more dangerous and persistent than any law enforcement..

"Ambulance chasing Lawyers" in short pretty much every lawyer is you enemy since is something call "Liability" that will make a product like this so expensive to insure (since the maker can get Sue and lose all his capital) nobody will ever make something like this for sale.

Is not like the concept is unsafe, but since the operator of the bike need to be really skillful loader and packer and also a excellent rider the possibility of a accident by operator mistake is really high but will always atribute to the Rack and nothing else like the stupidity of the rider or another vehicle.

In fact I spend years trying to figure out a commercial application, actually more as a design exercice since each bike require different attachment points and set up.

Anyway here is a gallery with a bunch of my work that i call the Bicycle rack that never happend

here are some of the drawings.

Beleive me for good or bad you guys are not doing as bad as you may think.

 

[Cpace]

in America you can Buy pleeny nice Motobikes, why a BMW?:kotz:

Show me a better one ^^

 

[AchseDesBoesen]

ah echt? ich meinte ja eher ich versteh seine aussagen zu moppets nicht, die müllhaufen die er da fährt

wenn ich in kalifornien wohnen würde, wäre es mir aber sowas von egal, mit welchem müllhaufen ich mein geiles mtb an den noch geileren spot kutschieren würde ...

 

[CrossSepp]

Denke ich auch,man beachte nur mal den ewigblauen Himmel.Obwohl so einige in California froh wären über etwas Regen (...beds are burning...)

@ Patineto: Just talking about the Weather in CA...

 

[patineto]

Okay I don't really have many pictures of carring my tandem on my moto,

Yesterday I took it for a little ride from berkeley to san francisco, not long but the bay bridge with the wind and many cars is always kind of "Fun"

A profile water bottle cage as my "Red Flag" maybe the only good use for a Profile cage anyway.

At American Cyclery visiting some old friends

I guess the fact that I'm writing this shows that everything when well on the trip..

Someday I will make a proper tandem mounts, far more forward so the frame do not stick out so far but is actually no big deal, it just looks scary..

Enjoy and please Wussy Wuss about carrying bikes on your car.

 

[CrossSepp]

Cool pics... .
13 Years ago was my last visit in the "American Cyclery",when i made a trip northbound on bike,nice to see that it´s still alive.It´s maybe the coolest store in the US.

 

[decolocsta]

bin ich der einzige der das bekloppt findet?

Ich mein die Fahreigenschaften der Kiste werden sicher nicht ins positive verbessert, ich verkaufe Motorräder und kann mir nicht vorstellen wie sich das so fahren lassen soll.
Es gibt sicher gute Gründe warum das in Deutschland nicht zulässig ist.
In dem Fall das ich ständig mit meinen Bikes irgendwo hinmuss kauf ich mir einen Minivan.

 

[CrossSepp]

Ich fahre auch seit über 20 Jahren Moped und käme auch nie auf die Idee ein Rad hintendrauf zu laden.Trotzdem gefällt mir die Sache,ist halt mal was anderes,es muß ja nicht immer alles korrekt DEUTSCH sein...

 

[magic_pansen]

It seems as you love german enigneering, thule, nikolai, bmw... crazy though but if you dont kill nobody but yourself its cool.

 

[patineto]

Cool pics... .
13 Years ago was my last visit in the "American Cyclery",when i made a trip northbound on bike,nice to see that it´s still alive.It´s maybe the coolest store in the US.

Oh Yeah Geen's shop was pretty amazing, I also remenber the first time I enter that place.

Full of Vintage bikes, Trimble's, Charlie cunninham's, Salsa's, Pott's you name it, plus a million parts, memories and know how.

Sadly the shop was sold to a pair of friends of mine in about 1999 whe he retire and all the cool Mountain Bikes when away, Well all the cool mountain bikes and now the have just a bunch of bikes.

Some of the bike mechanics there are legendary, I have the Honor to work there for about two years, but sadly still a bicycle shop with all the "political" crap that goes in every one of them..

Actually on a Sad side note here is a posting I did about a really good friend of mine (that work there for years) and Dye a few weeks ago..

The Bay area has lost a treasure: Scott Taylor passed 11/21/07

 

[patineto]

It seems as you love german enigneering, thule, nikolai, bmw... crazy though but if you dont kill nobody but yourself its cool.

So I have 401200 miles on that Black bike (more than 600,000 kilometers) about half this miles moving around bicycles, boxes and other crazy stuff and never ever have a problem do to my bikes being on top of the motorcycle, None Not even ones.


Believe or not I'm very aware of safety, after all I manage to do a million more dangerous things and still complete with out ever broken bones or anything..

(100Km+ per hour landluge on a skateboard, hangliding, paragliding, etc hell even riding my bicycle in Bogota Colombia was way more dangerous that carrying thing on my motorcycles do to the bullets and other dangers)

I'm sure is difficult for you guys to comprend this kind of ways of living in your super regulated environments, but just because you "think out of the box", does not really emphy you are going to fail or kill anybody in the process even your own self.

 

[magic_pansen]

hum, i dont think germany is that overregulated as you think. let me mention sex, drugs and beers.

and we dont have those boot camps yet :>

 

[patineto]

hum, i dont think germany is that overregulated as you think. let me mention sex, drugs and beers.

You are totally right.

Around here most people are Puritans (doors out at least) but also a little less bound in terms of standards.

Well I guess I just live in the US, but I still running on Latin blood so I keep trying things on a "Let see what happen basis" and so far I'm still alive and very happy because at least I try.


Just remember the days of incredible airplane development at the second war, your scientist pave the way for most of the current technology, but they also try a million things that were "kind of Strange" to say the least.

and we dont have those boot camps yet :>

At least were I live (In california) we are also ashame of the doings of that Fellow.

 

[zaprok]

Okay I don't really have many pictures of carring my tandem on my moto,

wide load

that's insane....I like it

is that a jones bar?

 

[patineto]

wide load

that's insane....I like it

For sure is not Optimal, I need to make a more specific mount to carry the tandem, specially because this summer we are going to spend a few weeks on the road with my girlfriend and we need to carry two full suspension bikes plus the tandem Going to Moab, colorado and hopefully also wistler in canada for the dowhhill races.

is that a jones bar?

Nope actually somehow Much better..

Made by the same Fellow that made my 29Er frame, he is pretty amazing.

Is a prototype of a Titanium multi position bar made by a friend of mine.

Is kind of strange, on one side it feels very rigid when your are riding, sprinting, etc but is also very supple and great for shock absorption, specially on a tandem.

Plus it fits my Dual "Redundant" brake system to perfection.

So far I like them a lot even if I'm very use to my Flat MTB bars.

But I think I'm going back to my JP Morgen stem really soon since we are riding tight step single track a lot this days.

 

[Eike.]

Pretty cool and i´m sure you get a lot of attention on the road or the camping ground

 

[zaprok]

"Dual "Redundant" brake system"

Is the v-brake your anti-fading-emergency brake or do you use it as an additional brake?

What is the second stem for? probably just a stiff spacer?

I think your bikes are extraordinary (in a positive way) and I see some great inventions.

Happy riding

 

[patineto]

Pretty cool and i´m sure you get a lot of attention on the road or the camping ground

Tell me about then I go to Events, everybody want to take a pictures of it.

A the "SeaOtter" classic two years ago.

Personally I dislike cars (In fact I don't even know how to drive one) so the bike provides me with Autonomy, freedom and the joy of doing two things I like very much at the same time.

Actually the BMW GS was name by BIKE magazine as the "best bike Ever" and Mine was name as the Coolest of all the GS do to the way i modified and the things I do with it.

 

[patineto]

"Dual "Redundant" brake system"

Is the v-brake your anti-fading-emergency brake or do you use it as an additional brake?

Let me give you the "Long explanation"


First in some of the pictures you are going to see are from my Red tandem, some from the Purple Ibis (20' x 17') that replace it.

The red is my second IBIS tandem that sadly prove to be a little to tall (21'x18') for MTB riding do to the long front forks that move the head tube and top tubes about 2' higher (I was not able to find a "none suspension correct fork" on a 20MM axle and really strong) with out getting one custom made, so I purchase the purple one that is a little smaller and fits me to perfection.

This is a FUNN 20MM fork with custom welded Rim brake studs (in the back of the fork) so I can run Disc and V-brakes at the same time.

I never, ever have (in the last 25 years of riding) a brake system as dependable, powerful and well modulated as this brakes, they just stop you when ever you need to at any speed regardless of the gradient of the hill.

Yes, the hubs colors are different, so far I have four front wheel (3 with a 20MM axle, one with a normal axle, most of them build on atomlab trailpimp rims since they offer so much heat dissipation) and three rear ones, depending on the type of riding we are going to do, from "Road tyres" to Nasty as they come downhill rubber.

I also have conventional 9mm QR forks, but I just don't trust them much under extreme brake loads, plus this Surly's just bend and flex way to much under braking.

Usually I run conventional MTB handlebars.

But for the last few months I'm being using the beautiful hand made Titanium prototype piece .

They Fit my quadruple brake lever set really well.

This is how it looks on my stock MTB bars.

The four lever mount on a more conventional setting, two for the rim brakes, two for the disc brakes.

I use Old school HOPE levers with four piston calipers and "Radial" master cylinders on a Inclose system (no air chamber just fluid) and 200mm rotors

Actually that is how I can make it work.

The brake lever are "Flip" (you can not do that with most conventional "expansion chamber types" except if the have a detachable reservoir like the new Oro's from Formula that can be flip

The only think I need to activate them is twist that little silver knob, yes when you are moving.

This is how the brake lever work.

Rim brakes

Disc brakes

The two of them at ones.

So far I never have the Disc brake fade on my tandem since I run mainly on the rim brakes, but is nice to know I don't need to overheat the rims and inner tubes (the Atomlab rims are heavy but the have so much expose area the cool down really well).

Basically working with motorcycles and bicycles I have see and experience more than one disc "Cook" & "burn", over heat to the point of warping, glaze brake pads, and rotors, voil (becomes even more "hydrofilling", a.k.a. water and air contaminate the fluid and make it easier to compress and losee eficiency) brake fluid (even using Motorex 5.1 grade the best fluid available so far) mostly on downhill and heavy loaded touring single bicycles & tandems and also motorcycles (remember that motos, use the compression of the engine for braking too)

So I prefer to keep my Rim brakes as the main brakes and the disc for "Just in Case"

What is the second stem for? probably just a stiff spacer?

Actually I learn that trick from a amazing website from a German guy call "Timm Tandem link" or something (his site is Brilliant full of great ideas)

The idea is to free up space from the handlebars and then use the "Piggybag" stem for Bags, GPS's, lights (like in my case) or whatever else you need to mount.

Plus yes makes for a really strong "Spacer" too.

I think your bikes are extraordinary (in a positive way) and I see some great inventions.

Happy riding

Thanks senor maybe some day I will do a proper posting about them but since I'm clueless in german I will not even know were to start it.

 

[zaprok]

Thanks for the explanation. That's really interesting. I'm just wondering how the brake performance would be like since the flanks/sides of the disc rims have been varnished/painted. I thought the sides ought to be rough.

The second stem is great.