Votec v.sx

[Schiltrac]

V.SX letzte Woche in Davos/Klosters!
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[dalimond]

servus,
ich bin grad auf der suche nach einem neuen bike, welche rahmengröße würdet ihr mir beim V.SX bei einer körpergröße von 183cm und sl von 86cm empfehlen?
was meint ihr soll ich auf die 2012 modele warten, oder noch eins von 2011 kaufen?

mfg dali

 

[Peter-S]

Fahre bei gleicher Größe/n ein 20" könnte mir aber auch 18" vorstellen, denn durch den Lenkwinkel läuft die Kiste schon sehr gerade...

 

[Slartibartfass]

Fahre bei 184 ein V.SX in M, passt perfekt. Das Ransom in M von nem Kumpel wäre mir aber zu kurz....

 

[BobsHaero]

Hi everyone. I'm sorry, i don't speak german but i'm very interested in this bike, so, since you are the biggest forum thread for the V.Sx, i'm gonna ask you some questions.

How does this behave in terms of rough descents? is it possible to drop 1,5 meters flat without damaging anything? is the frame stiff and tough or there are recorded breakdowns?
thank you so much.

 

[astraljunkie]

hi bobs,

i went to several bikeparks this season. there are no problems at all with the function of the bike. if you like riding the rough stuff all the time get a downhill bike. its not quite comfortable to ride the rough ways with the sx...sorry about my english, school is over a long time.

is the frame stiff and tough or there are recorded breakdowns? -> frame is stiff like hell, no breakdowns recorded yet (i think)

 

[BobsHaero]

hi bobs,

i went to several bikeparks this season. there are no problems at all with the function of the bike. if you like riding the rough stuff all the time get a downhill bike. its not quite comfortable to ride the rough ways with the sx...sorry about my english, school is over a long time.

is the frame stiff and tough or there are recorded breakdowns? -> frame is stiff like hell, no breakdowns recorded yet (i think)

thank you so much. (your english is quite better than mine, so..) I love going uphill with my own power, so i find not convenient to get a downhill bike, for the 8 times a year i go in a bikepark, but when i do, i'd like to have a bike that can handle this type of ride. Beside that, i do also many km on asphalt road to get somewhere to go offroad..the pedaling qualities of this bike are one of the things which for i've fallen in love with it.

did you do any jumps? (just to know, i'd like to do some 1.5m drops ) did this rear suspension(that is said to be one of the best in pedaling) worked good and smooth like a pillow or was it nervous and shaky reactive in descent? again, sorry for writing in english and force you to speak a foreign language.

(in italian forum "mtb-forum.it" we recorded a breakdown of the frame. since there are few people with a votec sx, asking you was just to amplify the statistic data. an error is normal, one frame can be bad..if there were more, i'd get a little afraid(for us the assistence is in a foreign country, meaning a pain in the ass)

Happy Riding to Everyone!

Bobs

 

[slash-sash]

Hi Bob.
I've to say sorry also for my english not good, but i think we'll understand each other.
Well, I'm searching the same categorie like you. And i informed myself about a lot of bikes. So many!!! Puh. But at the end there are 2 bikes for me: The V.SX and the Alutech Fanes. Get information about the two bikes. I think both are exactly produced for what you are looking for.

 

[astraljunkie]

the fanes is also an option, thats true.
I´m sorry, but I never dropped 1,5m but he did:

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[styriabeef]

@bobshaero:

concerning strength dropping into flats, I wouldn´t suggest any enduro bike.

Anyhow, I ride the V.sx now for roughly 1 year.
I ride a lot allmountain and alpine tours, both asphalt road and singletrail up and on singletrail down. I also ride in bikeparks once in a while.

If you built it up on the lightweight side - 13+kg - it´s a good climber but I´d recommend travel adjustable fork down to 100mm.

For downhill use (down the hill) it´s due two it´s length a fast and calm runner, but in turns it needs an extra push. The suspension works well with small and big hits.
I use fox`s 36 Talas front and RP23 regular volume with boost valve in the rear. I had a Roco Air 3PL before which "worked good and smooth like a pillow" but the Lockout didn´t work and pedalling up the hill was terrible.
I use the RP23s lockout function now a lot! To have no bottom out I have to use 180psi (for 75kg+clothes) which influences the sensibilty in the beginning stroke but not too bad.
The Roco only needed 75PSI and was way more sensitive.

In bikeparks I only did smaller Jumps and Drops but I didn`t drop into flats.
The V.sx feels good in the air and handles well on jumps and drops.
Real downhill terrain like Maribor or Semmering are makeable but not enjoyable.
Depending if your priority is towards downhill performance I´d recommend a frame where you can use piggypack dampers for a more relaxed "pillow-like" feeling.

best regards

 

[BobsHaero]

Thank you all for being so kind and perfect in fulfill all of my doubts. You were just perfect, guys. The Fances is great but way out of budget (2500 euro), the choiche is between this and Rose's uncle Jimbo: rose assistance is magnificent here in Italy, that's the point..but this votec is outrageously good in any aspect and seems to be perfect for my target, and the more i look at her, the more i want it.=) thank you so much, for true.

 

[gotboost]

Take a Look at the Nukeproof Mega.

 

[lukabe]

I'm driving my V.SX nearly 2 years now and i'm pretty happy with it.
I ride with 150psi at 73kg+clothes,fullface and 1,5l water, but i never had a bottom out until today. With this setting, i've got about 40% SAG, which is quiet a lot when you ride uphill, but with ProPedal i never had any problems.
Riding down-the-hill, i've got a suspension which is very sensitive but as i said already, i never had any bottom outs. I don't know if i've got the same RP23 as styriabeef, i think mine hasn't got the BoostValve, maybe thats the reason why i can run such a low pressure without having bottom outs.
In combination with the 170mm Lyrik U-Turn with Mission Control DH, the V.SX is the perfect do-it-all bike for me.
My build is a bit heavier, around 14,9 kilos, but for this i've got tires which can take all the abuse i do to them (Onza Ibex DH 2,4; ~830gr), a Kindshock i950(550gr), which i never want to give away again, and a fork that is a bit heavier than an air-sprung one, but has a superb performance.
Normally i do tours with my V.SX, but i rode it also in 2 bikeparks and it performed really good.
The Fanes is also one of my favourite bikes, i saw (and touched ) it at the eurobike, but i think with the V.SX you get with the same money a better equipped bike.

That's my baby

 

[Bloodhound5]

Kennt ihr das? Ihr fahrt durch die heimischen Wälder und plötzlich taucht ein 2012er V.SX mit Edelausstattung auf und ihr dürft es sogar fahren? vermutlich nicht Deswegen hier ein paar Bilder und ein kurzer Fahreindruck: http://soulbiker.com/news/votec-vsx-2012-enduro-bilder-und-fahrbericht.html

 

[BobsHaero]

Kennt ihr das? Ihr fahrt durch die heimischen Wälder und plötzlich taucht ein 2012er V.SX mit Edelausstattung auf und ihr dürft es sogar fahren? vermutlich nicht Deswegen hier ein paar Bilder und ein kurzer Fahreindruck: http://soulbiker.com/news/votec-vsx-2012-enduro-bilder-und-fahrbericht.html

Danke!=) the new graphic isn't that good..but gosh, it's always stunning. and the kashima coat is a gr8 thing. =)

 

[2white2red]

Hey Bobs,

I´m riding my V.SX since 2 years now. It´s the model of 2009 and I didn´t have any serious problems with it up to now.
1,5m drops are no problem at all, just be sure that you have a proper landing zone.
I dropped in the flat from that height accidentally but didn´t break the frame. The only thing which can happen if your rear suspension bottoms out is that the screw which fixes the damper on the air side bends a little.
That happened to me more than just once, you just have to change the screw and thats it.

But as far as I know they have already changed that one from M6x55 to M8.

All in all I am very satisfied with the bike, riding is good fun with it, also uphill. As far as one can have fun with uphill riding

Up to now I only had to change the bearings of the rear frame and made a fork service.

Uli

 

[BobsHaero]

Hey Bobs,

I´m riding my V.SX since 2 years now. It´s the model of 2009 and I didn´t have any serious problems with it up to now.
1,5m drops are no problem at all, just be sure that you have a proper landing zone.
I dropped in the flat from that height accidentally but didn´t break the frame. The only thing which can happen if your rear suspension bottoms out is that the screw which fixes the damper on the air side bends a little.
That happened to me more than just once, you just have to change the screw and thats it.

But as far as I know they have already changed that one from M6x55 to M8.

All in all I am very satisfied with the bike, riding is good fun with it, also uphill. As far as one can have fun with uphill riding

Up to now I only had to change the bearings of the rear frame and made a fork service.

Uli

Thank you so much. may i ask you the feeling on tormac and asphalt(in flat..not uphill or downhill..just for the transferring)..i got approximately 20km of flat asphalt before the offroad game starts and i'd like to do that fast..usually i keep up to 33-35kmh average speed. but with an xc-trail bike(14kg 120/120)..i'm expecting 25-27 from this bike. is realistic or too far optimistic in your opinion?

 

[styriabeef]

@2white:
are you sure that you have the correct shockeye bushing (reduzierhülse)?
I had an 8mm bushing on one side of the M6 screw which caused it to bend.
I changed it and now its working fine (actually I claimed it at Votec and got replacements)

 

[warpax]

the new graphic isn't that good..but gosh, it's always stunning.

Here the translation of what the review says about the graphics:

"In 2012 Votec makes use of the widely known configurator again, yet with way more options than ever before. More than 80 parts and more than 800 (!!) combinations of colours are being offered by the dispatcher from Wenden. No matter whether classy and discreet or - as in the pictures - loud and fast, everything is possible."

 

[BobsHaero]

Here the translation of what the review says about the graphics:

"In 2012 Votec makes use of the widely known configurator again, yet with way more options than ever before. More than 80 parts and more than 800 (!!) combinations of colours are being offered by the dispatcher from Wenden. No matter whether classy and discreet or - as in the pictures - loud and fast, everything is possible."

=) yep, thank you, i did translate with google from german in the first place, and i've understood more or less..What bothers me are not the coulours, but the graphic itself. i preferred the 2011 version, but..it's a personal feeling!=) still, i hope prices won't change and there still will be the chance to get the anodized black, which i think it's the non-plus-ultra..but..wait and hope!=) (you guys are soooo kind. no words to say how i like this forum. for true!)

 

[warpax]

I suppose they'll have something like 'zones' You can assign individual colours to. Thus, if You choose the same colour for all the zones You'll have a plain-coloured frame.

 

[Dipstick]

Zu den 2011ern:

Glaubt ihr nicht auch, dass die Zugverlegung durch das Sattelstützenrohr (neben dem Dämpfer, wie es hier im Forum gemacht wurde) nicht sinnvoller gewesen wäre (Steinschlag)?

Zur neuen Talas 170mm - ist die schwerer?

 

[2white2red]

@2white:
are you sure that you have the correct shockeye bushing (reduzierhülse)?
I had an 8mm bushing on one side of the M6 screw which caused it to bend.
I changed it and now its working fine (actually I claimed it at Votec and got replacements)

Yes I am sure. It was a M6, nevertheless the screw bent. I replaced the original aluminium bushing with one from Rock Shox. Made from steel. I would highly recommend to use these to anyone who plans to change the bushings.

Bobs, I can´t give you an exact number how fast you will go. Probably you won´t recognize that much of a difference to the XC bike. The main thing which slows you down is the different tires, not the bike.

 

[BobsHaero]

Yes I am sure. It was a M6, nevertheless the screw bent. I replaced the original aluminium bushing with one from Rock Shox. Made from steel. I would highly recommend to use these to anyone who plans to change the bushings.

Bobs, I can´t give you an exact number how fast you will go. Probably you won´t recognize that much of a difference to the XC bike. The main thing which slows you down is the different tires, not the bike.

Thank you..i tought that the less proned position, more seated and more relaxed on an enduro bike could dramatically affect the speed-performance, for the pushing position and the aerodinamical condition. Glad i was wrong!=)
I know all the tires stuff, i have many tires for different uses.

I can confirm that bushing coming from rockshox are better than the original one..i had to change it too and altough i had never experienced problems, this new one is lasting far far more than the previouses=)

 

[akami]

Servus!

Auf besonderen Wunsch hin wurde ich gebeten mein Fahrwerktuning hier zu posten und
zu erläutern. Vielleicht haben ja auch noch andere Interesse außer die beiden aus dem
Wartezimmer.

Nun zum Tuning/Umbau. Ich habe mein SX mit einem Coil-Dämpfer versehen. Dazu habe
ich folgendes gebraucht:

1. Coil-Dämpfer ohne AGB (In meinem Fall ein Fox Vanilla R 2008 - Ich hatte das Glück, diesen neu zu ergattern.)
2. Passende Feder (Innendurchmesser 32mm / Außendurchmesser maximal 51mm)
Entsprechende Feder sind schwer zu bekommen. Für Leerfahrten bzw. mit wenig Gepäck
fahre ich eine Fox Stahlfeder 450Lbsx2.37". Für die etwas härtere Gangart bzw. mehr
Gepäck kommt eine Titanfeder 550LBSx2.75" zum Einsatz (wird noch drauf gewartet)
3. Leichtgängige Lager. Da habe ich mir Huber Buchsen anfertigen lassen.
4. M6x55mm Schraube. Das ist die Schraube der unteren Dämpferaufhängung. Die
Originale passt nicht durch die Hülse der Lager.

5. Alles zusammen bauen und rein ins SX. Federn mit 51mm Außendurchmesser passen
zwar genau in den Rahmen aber die Wippe muss demontiert werden. Federn mit 49mm
Außdendurchmesser passen ohne Demontage.


Alle Teile zu bekommen und vor allem NEU war schon eine Herausforderung, welche sich
jedoch lohnt. Der Vergleich zum RP23 ist sagenhaft. Der Luftikus von Fox kommt mir vor
wie der letzte Dreck. In jeder Hinsicht ist der Coil überlegen:

- Sensibilität: Reagiertsanft auf jede unebenheit. Gibt dabei nicht zu viel Federweg frei
und sackt auch nicht durch.
- Dämpfung: Ein Traum. Man hat das Gefühl es geht immer mehr und man will auch immer
mehr. Man fängt an die Grenzen zu suchen. Män verbrät weniger Federweg bei
angenehmerer Dämpfung.
- Uphill: Das ProPedal ist ab Werk eingestellt und kann nicht verändert werden. Warum
auch? Kein Wippen.
- Optik: Ich finde die Optik einfach nur genial. Sieht richtig steil aus.

Man fühlt sich einfach wohl mit dem Ding. Man bekommt im Downhill richtiges Big-Bike-
Feeling und kommt dabei den Berg bestens hoch. Man klebt am Boden und wenn man
diesen doch mal verlässt wird man wie von Engelsschwingen aufgefangen. Trotz des
fehlenden AGB ist der Dämpfer nicht träge geworden oder hat sich sonst irgendwie
negativ bemerkbar gemacht. Für mich ist klar, kein Luftdämpfer mehr im SX. Ist jetzt ein
Supergeschoss.

Einen genauen Gewichtsvergleich kann ich zur Zeit leider nicht machen. Aber er dürfte
so ca. bei 200-300 Gramm liegen. Das ist bei dem Performancezuwachs mehr als nur zu
verkraften. Hier noch ein aktuelles Bild (Bild mit Titanfeder folgt):

Ich würde gerne eure Meinung hören!

MFG,
Philip