Der Last Bikes-Thread

scratch_a schrieb:
Schau mal hier: https://fotos.mtb-news.de/p/2176882?in=set
https://fotos.mtb-news.de/p/2161421?in=set

Um den Schaltzug "untenrum" ging es auch hier kurz mal auf Seite 131-132, falls von Interesse ;)
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Der raw Rahmen ist echt geil.:)

da ist ein Sram Schaltwerk dran. Bei der Ansteuerung macht die Verlegung unten super Sinn. Bei einem Shimano Schaltwerk mit Ansteuerung von hinten oben ensteht halt ein großer Bogen, da habe ich schon Angst vor Beschädigung bei Sturz. Auf dem propain Bilkd ist ein bißchen erkennbar, was ich meine.
 
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Re: Der Last Bikes-Thread
TheShrimpMurder schrieb:
I would guess around 600mm too. The BIKE magazin measured the V1 @ 595mm in Large. The V2 has 5mm more reach with the same stack height
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Seriously? 600mm?!

My current bike - Ghost Kato FS 5 has 600mm ETT and 440mm reach for size M and it has 70mm stem and I think it's too small for me.
I want to buy a Clay in L paired with 35mm stem, which I already bought.

Total reach of the Kato is 510mm and for the Clay is 495.
Is L going to be too short for me? I'm 1.80cm tall.
 
Sorry for the triple post, but what do you guys (and girls, if you're reading ;)) think of getting XL, which combined with 35mm has 523mm reach, which is a bit longer of my current bike?
And if I find it to be too long I can always move my seat a bit forward with the added bonus of steeper seat angle. :cool:

I'm just worrying about the much longer seat tube. :(

P.S. Fuck, so many typos. I'm high. :lol:
 
Zayphod schrieb:
Sorry for the triple post, but what do you guys (and girls, if you're reading ;)) think of getting XL, which combined with 35mm has 523mm reach, which is a bit longer of my current bike?
And if I find it to be too long I can always move my seat a bit forward with the added bonus of steeper seat angle. :cool:

I'm just worrying about the much longer seat tube. :(

P.S. Fuck, so many typos. I'm high. :lol:
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Hey, now here's a kind of serious answer from me ;-)
I'd try a XL frame if you prefer higher speed and riding in tech terrain. If you prefer more the steeper, slower and more trial like trails, maybe the shorter frame is better for you?! As an example I'm 190 and own now the XXL Glen with a 520 mm reach and a 35 mm stem. Before I've had the v1 coal with a reach of 475 mm and a 45 mm stem. Now, I feel way much more space on the bike and for my riding style and terrain it's the better choice.

Cheers
Karsten
 
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Zayphod schrieb:
Sorry for the triple post, but what do you guys (and girls, if you're reading ;)) think of getting XL, which combined with 35mm has 523mm reach, which is a bit longer of my current bike?
And if I find it to be too long I can always move my seat a bit forward with the added bonus of steeper seat angle. :cool:

I'm just worrying about the much longer seat tube. :(

P.S. Fuck, so many typos. I'm high. :lol:
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Hmmm If you opt for a XL my only concern would be the short chainstays.
On the Glen the bigger models get longer CS- this keeps you in more in the middle of the bike resulting in a more comfortable body position.

Long reach and short chainstays= you need to actively weight the front wheel - its a bit more exhausting (IMO)because of the attack postion (ie. Bent arms)and needs getting used to... I didnt like it on my Knolly Delirium (Just Not a fan of long bikes unfortunately).

Maybe Take a look at the Glen? As Schulte said its playful and fast and should be a top allrounder.
 
DerohneName schrieb:
Hmmm If you opt for a XL my only concern would be the short chainstays.
On the Glen the bigger models get longer CS- this keeps you in more in the middle of the bike resulting in a more comfortable body position.

Long reach and short chainstays= you need to actively weight the front wheel - its a bit more exhausting (IMO)because of the attack postion (ie. Bent arms)and needs getting used to... I didnt like it on my Knolly Delirium (Just Not a fan of long bikes unfortunately).

Maybe Take a look at the Glen? As Schulte said its playful and fast and should be a top allrounder.
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Oh, I haven't thought about the chainstay. I'm not a fan of the attack position.

Actually I had thoughts about the weight on the front wheel. Short stem + short chainstay may be a problem if you don't actively put pressure on the front tire. It will be even worse if you put a lot of spacers and chose handlebar with high rise to compensate for the low stack.

Glen's geometry looks amazing, sadly, I already have a new custom build 27.5" wheelset. :(


schulte69 schrieb:
If you prefer more the steeper, slower and more trial like trails, maybe the shorter frame is better for you?!
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I do ride mostly that.
And I prefer a playful bike that can easily be moved around and allows you to often pop and have fun on the trails. That's why I looked at Last Bikes at the first place.
 
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Zayphod schrieb:
Oh, I haven't thought about the chainstay. I'm not a fan of the attack position.

Actually I had thoughts about the weight on the front wheel. Short stem + short chainstay may be a problem if you don't actively put pressure on the front tire. It will be even worse if you put a lot of spacers and chose handlebar with high rise to compensate for the low stack.

Glen's geometry looks amazing, sadly, I already have a new custom build 27.5" wheelset. :(




I do ride mostly that.
And I prefer a playful bike that can easily be moved around and allows you to often pop and have fun on the trails. That's why I looked at Last Bikes at the first place.
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I havent found your height - how tall are you?
 
He is 1,8m

@effective top tube on the L:

I asked Last once about this and they thought it would be around 600mm....

Another user in this forum once gave me this calcul:

(Tan(90°-75°)*602mm )+455mm =616,3mm
 
schulte69 schrieb:
Where do you live? It sounds like (like always) that you'd try the sizes.
I think size L is okay for you but you never know...
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Sadly I can't demo anything, since I'm from Bulgaria.
In my region we mostly have tight and technical single tracks, where shorter bike would be preferable.

But damn, Clay in L will feel shorter than my current setup, which I already feel to be too small.

I had a few rides on my coworker's M sized Nicolai G16 with 35mm stem and I don't feel too stretched out, but I don't like the low maneuverability. But it has an extreme head angle and it's quite long.


@DerohneName I'm 1.8m.
 
Zayphod schrieb:
Sadly I can't demo anything, since I'm from Bulgaria.
In my region we mostly have tight and technical single tracks, where shorter bike would be preferable.

But damn, Clay in L will feel shorter than my current setup, which I already feel to be too small.

I had a few rides on my coworker's M sized Nicolai G16 with 35mm stem and I don't feel too stretched out, but I don't like the low maneuverability. But it has an extreme head angle and it's quite long.


@DerohneName I'm 1.8m.
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Go with the Large- you could even ride the M and it would be find.
Im also 180 and got a Delirium in Large (473mm reach and also short 429mm CS) and the bike really really big.
My old Banshee Rune and Commencal Meta SX had 435-445mm Reach and they were perfectly fine- nimble yet stable enough to not feel overwhelmed in the rough.
Also depends where you ride- Im from Vienna and the nearest real Tracks are at Schladming or Schöckl (200-300km) so really no need for the big bike.

I would start with a 40-45mm stem (little Bit longer stem means more pressure on the front).
 
Zayphod schrieb:
Sadly I can't demo anything, since I'm from Bulgaria.
In my region we mostly have tight and technical single tracks, where shorter bike would be preferable.

But damn, Clay in L will feel shorter than my current setup, which I already feel to be too small.

I had a few rides on my coworker's M sized Nicolai G16 with 35mm stem and I don't feel too stretched out, but I don't like the low maneuverability. But it has an extreme head angle and it's quite long.


@DerohneName I'm 1.8m.
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Okay, Bulgaria isn't around the corner. So, I don't think that a XL frame has the same low maneuverability like the G16 without knowing it. The short chainstay and the typical character of Last bikes is that they are "playful" and if you know the owners of Last, thay are all more on the active side of riders. What means, thy are not trucking over obstacles and that's how all sizes are. For sure, if they frame is larger it's less movable compared to a short frame.

I'd suggest to call now (until 1 pm) or next week the office and then Bernd or another guy who's there should could help you with your decision.

Have a nice weekend.

(ps: the v1 coal is shorter, maybeeee.....)
 
Thank you both for the replies! I appreciate your time.

On paper Large seems quite short... even shorter than Stumpjumper which for decades has been known as a short and nimble, yet capable trail weapon.
Definitely with a 35mm stem I may feel cramped in the cockpit area, in my opinion.

On my current bike sometimes i feel i may kick the bar with my knee in sharper turns.

Won't a 37mm offset fork help with the pressure on the front wheel?
I may get rid of the idea of high rise bar and many spacers, which will further reduce the pressure on it.

I'll discuss all this with the guys from Last for sure.
 
The more spacers and rise you ride the less reach youll get.
I mean it really depends on what you ride and what youve ridden before.
If you are used to longer bikes you can go with the XL (477mm reach are okay for 180cm)- Ive got long legs and short torso thus "needing" a smaller frame than most people of my size.
Only Downside is the long Seatpost- maybe ask the guys at last if they can cut the seattube on the XL - I believe someone it this thread asked them to and they did it :) (So you wont void the warrenty if a 3rd party cuts it).
 
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